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Hi. I would just like to add a opinion regarding what we expect on the COH server from our player visitors. After reading the posts on this Mohaac subject, I would First like to state, we are not in oposition regarding the mohaac anti-cheat although we dont use it ourselves, we have every faith in our small number of members because of the length of time we have been playing together. There would be no doubt, we would use it if and when we were to rejoin the AAAA league.

This unfortunate situation regarding League clan members discarding the Mohaac anti-cheat leaves a large question mark as to why they made the decision to do so, and if they have given no reasonable reason, it makes it more dubious.

As a Clan, also a public server we would find it near impossible to demand all public players to establish the Mohaac anti-cheat. we have constant regular non-members who play on a nighty basis, all are trusted participants. As I understand the Mohaac, If one has a clean Main, there should be no infringments therefore a player who visits our server using the anti-cheat should make sure he or she are infringment Free!. Just one infringment could mean the difference between anything from as little as the Red dot foresight to a wallhack.

An outside player during a COH custom sunday night game, was identified by consensus of opinion as a potential cheat, He left and came back on using the Mohaac, His score line dropped dramaticaly. The question is Why didnt he use it in the first place? "I belive the answer is obvious".

Because of the growing reduction of Allied Assault Servers, the cheats seem to be coming from far and wide and many of them seem to heading to the Coh server and many others, it is, and will be a constant administrative headache to contain them. I personally belive in the somewhat near future, the only remaining servers will be solely clan membership only using Mohaac, and probably some of those will have to amalgamate in order to survive.

A wallhacking cheater can only be fooling His or herself, no one else.

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As this post concerns a good friend of mine, I have to respond.

I myself wasn't running MOHAAC in the beginning of the custom map night, as I thought it wouldn't be needed in just a friendly game. I got forced to put it on so I did.
I myself was playing with 1 infraction, which was a custom map that was a bit different from the one that was used on the server, why? Well because I have a very very very large map database on my PC, so instead of downloading even more copies of the maps I already have, I just picked them out of my database to keep things organised. Afterwards I even got forced to fix this infraction and download the correct map (eventhough you could dl the map in question via MOHAAC Site, on my account, to check if it was a legit map or not). Anyways as soon as I had 0 infractions I actually got bigger scores and no one talked to me again.

Now this message is directed to Noiz, a player that I invited to this custom map night because he likes custom maps.
Why wasn't he running MOHAAC in the first place you ask? He never even heard of MOHAAC, he doesn't play in any league or any server where it has been required. Even I never touched MOHAAC till a few weeks back when it was asked on a public server. I had to send him the link and guide him through the steps on how to install and use it. And btw, you just said you guys are not using it yourselves, yet you expect others to obviously use it on your server as a standard?

He downloaded MOHAAC for you guys without any problem. Now he's a sniper only player and isn't very good in all weapons, plus he doesn't even know the maps. If he gets a bad score, so be it.. but a map afterwards he was right on top again (next to me) while his MOHAAC was still running.

It's a shame that everyone who even gets double figures is treated as a cheater and that you judge so quickly. Even one of your members continued to whine throughout the entire night, even after everyone was running MOHAAC without any infraction.

I feel insulted and disappointed that this is where gaming has come to..
I myself do my best to get rid of all the hackers, help the community where I can and still get nasty eyes looking at me.
But I can live with that, have been for the last 10 years. But when someone mistreats a friend of mine like this, I will come forward.
We were friendly throughout the game, complied with everything that was asked (even though we felt it shouldn't be needed) and still it's not enough?

Shamefully accusers don't only fool themselves but also instigate others in their witch hunt.

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Well I cant comment as I was not playing, but its nice to see an open discussion that's not nasty Cool

The only input I would add is an "Infringement" DOES NOT = CHEAT An "Infringement" Means that's the user has been flagged as one of his files is not in the scope of the match id being used.

So could be anything from an extra map to all sorts but yeh could be a cheat file BUT all anyone has to do is to view the player via MOHAAC to see what the "Infringement" was but you will get them because of things in your main but yeh you should have none but it does happen

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

 

 

Cheers

  Heatsinkbod

&nb

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Hi all

Almost all of our clan uses MOHAAC, ofcause all those who play clan war, but also the other from the clan user MOHAAC, because of two things to make it similar in clan, and to lead by good example, when now we ask many other players on our public server to use it, it's like people with really high score that can be asked to take MOHAAC on, not always because we think they are cheating, but other player on the server says that the cheating, so it's good to use MOHAAC on our server, so we can say to them that they use MOHAAC, and do not cheat
We have made a match id that everyone uses on our server so we can follow them on MOHAAC server monitor

"MOHAAC is not only for those who cheat, but also to protect those who are really good at playing mohaa, because there should not be any doubt about the just really good player"

Only my opinion, you can ask others to use MOHAAC, but it is best to lead by good example Smile

Player no longer even on Sunday evening at COH server "sorry for it" but has a new job where I will be meeting very early in the morning, I've done it before and it was really nice, I think it's really good to you have started using MOHAAC on COH server, I can only back it up

Also hope soon to see COH in AAAA league again

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"MOHAAC is not only for those who cheat, but also to protect those who are really good at playing mohaa, because there should not be any doubt about the just really good player"

I do agree with this, but apparently it's not enough. Once you have MOHAAC on (same with all anti-cheats) you're not allowed to get a bad score anymore or you'll still be considered a cheater. Even players that never heard of MOHAAC (which are a lot) are suddenly considered cheaters.
This mentality is what destroys this game, not the cheaters.

I myself will refuse to automatically use MOHAAC from the start (unless it's a war where the rules state MOHAAC need to be used). But on a public server? No. I don't need to proof myself to anyone, I could care less what others say. If I'm forced to play on the server or I'll get kicked, then yeah, I guess there's no other option but to turn it on. But it still goes against my pride. And tbh, if I'd simply leave the server to defend my pride, I'd be called a cheater as well.

What I'm saying is, innocent untill proven guilty. Unfortunately a lot of clans and server admins do not agree with this and pass judgement without any proof.

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Hi Shadow

That with MOHAAC and high score:
Player on our server are not just asked to take MOHAAC on when they have a high score, it is player who plays a lot on the server and always with a high score, which can be ask for it
I feel bad for the good plays that there are others who say that they are cheating, and continues to write it
MOHAAC save our admin many hours following the play on the server, to see if they are clean
Just MOHAAC had come sooner, might save me a lot of kick from the server because of high score
But the clan who do not know MOHAAC, it may not matter that had it on their server, you just kick anyway for high score
That's what we're working on in our clan, so they really good player on our server also can be there and play, and not just kick from the server as you do in many other server, because of the high score

Shadow wrote:
What I'm saying is, innocent untill proven guilty. Unfortunately a lot of clans and server admins do not agree with this and pass judgement without any proof.

I totally agree with you here, and I also think there are a lot of bad admin who judge too quick and kick or banned player from the server

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Hi all yeh this is a big issue having been through this process over a year back when I banned a player from MEGA but it was done over a few months where we had to go and get proof and it was very hard and was not an easy option as the guy was a big supporter..........

Anyway the thing is in like any sport or activity you get players of different levels and it is always hard to find yourself getting your rear kicked and feeling WTF

Although I am long term vet of MOHAA I have good games bad games but would only consider myself to be an average player and often see players with double my score when I think I am having a good game............

The thing is some cheats can be detected easy like WH but an example I would give and I have been accused in the past is advance shooting!!!

An example is going round a corner shooting before you see or can see anyone..... I often go round corners shooting if I have a gut feeling of a hot spot in map I will open fire going round a corner.............

Now then yeh you get some lucky early kills and could be seen as some sort of a cheat - but you would over time also see me going that and other corners shooting only not to hit anything other than walls..........

As said above MOHAAC is their to promote your cleaness and it is very welcome to see more and more players using it on public servers, I do try to use it as much as possible and when I do intend to play online for a while on a server..........

You must also look that if someone has gone to the effort of running it when they dont have to and some clan server as some clan members running it and others not and you run it then I think you are promoting yourself as a clean player which is a good thing.........

MOHAAC is a very good thing and feel we are very lucky to have had this developed for such an old game - is it totally secure no but at present it is and actively supported so if you get a suspect player and PM Steve at MOHAAC on his Forum with the details he does look into it and reports back on his findings............

I am aware of a test done by a known programmer to test it to help its development and a hack was possible but was done needing a lot of effort none of which is available on google as a download and afterwards that method was blocked by Steve..........

So I have no answers to all of it but MOHAAC is a great thing but also player and Admins need to work together to improve it and also a lot can be said in words that can be miss interpreted but I hope here this issue can be resolved

Happy shooting - Kill em ALL and kill em again

 

 

Cheers

  Heatsinkbod

&nb

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Hello Shadow, Heatsink, Number4. Thank you for your comments on this subject. I would like to point out Coh Make no demands on weather a Player uses Mohaac or not, but, I do belive a server operator has the right to run his server in the way its members deem necessary for their enjoyment without any outside intervention.

I am not quite up to date with the Mohaac project maybe I can be enlightened, my question is, if it is already in a player's main whilst playing in the league matches, what difference does it make when taking it out when not playing in league matches?? I am bewildered.

Shadow, I must stress we do not initiate one rule for one and one rule for another as you suggest, I would also like to add we do not kick or ban solely on consensus of opinion, we need to be 100% sure what ever actions we take are for genuine reasons, there are many excellent, fair high-scoring players whom some servers would ban or kick on assumption.
I believe it is an administrators first instinct to spectate an high scorer before coming to any conclusion.

Number4. I wish you luck in your endeavours in enticing your public players to using the Mohaac, I'm afraid if we on COH introduced that stipulation we would most probably have a empty server most of the week. But for that! It would be an ideal situation.

Thankyou once again for your comments.....Castro.

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castro wrote:
Shadow, I must stress we do not initiate one rule for one and one rule for another as you suggest, I would also like to add we do not kick or ban solely on consensus of opinion, we need to be 100% sure what ever actions we take are for genuine reasons, there are many excellent, fair high-scoring players whom some servers would ban or kick on assumption.
I believe it is an administrators first instinct to spectate an high scorer before coming to any conclusion.

Well the banning and kicking was more directed in clans of general, I haven't seen you guys kick anyone so I can't talk about that.
I also did not imply that you have different rules for different people, obviously some people are more of a suspect than others.. if an admin feels he has to ask someone to put MOHAAC on, so be it.

castro wrote:
An outside player during a COH custom sunday night game, was identified by consensus of opinion as a potential cheat, He left and came back on using the Mohaac, His score line dropped dramaticaly. The question is Why didnt he use it in the first place? "I belive the answer is obvious".

The thing that stood of of your post was the accusation you made towards my friend, and also openly accused him in your post (''I believe the answer is obvious'') on this forum.
This was totally uncalled for and unfair. It also implied that you expect everyone to run MOHAAC in the first place, which is not the case according to your last post.

All I'm saying is, do not pass judgement too quickly. How fair is it that you accused a friend of mine on this forum just because he had a bad score in 1 map (not more than 1 map!) while running MOHAAC, while he had a good attitude the entire game (even when a COH player put his capslock on and whined through the entire game when everyone had 0 infractions) and my friend actually downloaded and installed MOHAAC just for you guys and to have some fun.

Also this entire post seemed to have been created in relation to the last custom map night, thus I felt I had to reply.
Next to that, ofc. all clans and server admins have their own rules, and if you want to play on the server, you have to follow the rules and listen to the admin, otherwise leave the server.
I'm not judging or accusing the admins in question, I simply direct myself to the post you made, which was one of bad judgement.

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castro wrote:

I am not quite up to date with the Mohaac project maybe I can be enlightened, my question is, if it is already in a player's main whilst playing in the league matches, what difference does it make when taking it out when not playing in league matches?? I am bewildered.

Hi castro

I hope I understand your question right,

MOHAAC is not something you have in mohaa folder
MOHAAC is a program to start up before you go into mohaa game
"Start MOHAAC, write a match ID, press start (in MOHAAC), start mohaa game up and play" more is not in it

So it is very easy not to use MOHAAC, you start it just not up when you go in and play

Hope this could help you on your question

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Hi Number4. Thank you for your explanation regarding the Mohaac. I did not realise it was so time consuming in order to establish Mohaac before playing the game, I apologise for my ignorance. I do realise the Mohaac would probably take some of the hassle out of administrating especially when players are free of infringements, but generally speaking, I find it difficult to understand why some Mohaac users only emphasise using it in league matches and non-others.

The comments I have made are born out of curiosity and should not to be taken as criticism.
Thank you all for your participation appertaining to the Mohaac subject.

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Hi castro

It is quite ok, you do not need to apologize

I'm just so very happy for COH have started using MOHAAC, so they might come back to AAAA league

If there is anything I can help with, around MOHAAC, we in ango would love to help you, you are always welcome to come to our TS ip 82.103.141.125:9276
I have some really good people to help with MOHAAC, from country of NL, FR, DK
We clans are here to help each other, so the old mohaa games can be played for a long time still